"I know that I will never open for Metallica. And I have long since reached peace with that." 20 years after the film that changed everything for the band, Anvil frontman Steve 'Lips' Kudrow has no regrets
Anvil arrive in the UK today to play sets based on their first three albums, Metal On Metal, Hard 'N' Heavy and Forged In Fire
Itās no exaggeration to say that the 2008 documentary film Anvil! The Story Of Anvil brought the veteran Canadian trio a whole new audience. Some would claim it saved the career of the down-at-heel metalheads, whose singer and guitarist Steve āLipsā Kudlow was delivering school meals at the time.
Prior to this yearās annual visit to Britain and Ireland, when the band will play sets drawn from their first three albums, we check in with Lips.
Itās pretty hard to believe that Anvil! came out almost twenty years ago.
Yeah. That time came and went in the blink of an eye. I mean, what the hell happened? In the movie my son is ten years old, now heās thirty. I know half a dozen people that are now dead. If I want to see my mother or Lemmy, I watch the movie.
Seven albums later, is there now a significant divide ā the ārealā fans who are aware of Anvilās music, and others that are simply curious because of the film?
Weāve become a phenomenon. Come to a show and for two-thirds of the audience itās their first time seeing us. When I ask whether there are any old Anvil fans out there, few bald heads or grey hair are to be seen. The movie brought us the audience of today. Older fans bring along their kids. But itās rewarding to know that the music has made it through generations.
The film has been on Netflix and retains its popularity. Are there moments in it that now make you wish you hadnāt allowed director Sacha Gervasi to film them?
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Nah, nah, nah. They had access to everything ā the good, the bad and the ugly ā and Iām glad about that. I have no shame. Show the arguments, show everything. I wanted pure honesty, not the candy-coated garbage that most bands would put out.
I wanted a new band to witness our self-belief, because they will experience most of the things you see in the movie. Some compared it to Spinal Tap. Well, Spinal Tap was based on real events. Harry Shearer [co-creator and portrayer of Derek Smalls] went on the road with Saxon. Those things with the cucumber in silver foil and getting lost backstage really happened.
Anvil come to the play in the UK and Ireland as regular as clockwork, but usually itās in promotion of a new album.
I wanted to take extra time between the twentieth album [One And Only, 2024] and the twenty-first, which weāre about to begin recording. People come to the shows and say: āI havenāt got the new album, can you sign the last one?ā so weāre giving them breathing room. Thatās why weāll be playing all of the old shit. If for no other purpose than to introduce that material to the ānew peopleā.
Itās a set based on the first three albums: Metal On Metal, Hard āNā Heavy and Forged In Fire, all of which came out between 1981 and ā83.
[Laughing] Yeah. This isnāt about nostalgia, more letting those that know us from the movie know about those songs. I know it sounds ridiculous. We recently did the same thing in the US. These young kids came along expecting a geriatric show, and it was off the scale.
How did playing slide guitar with a dildo become a part of the act?
We did right from the start. We were racking our brains for something that would make people never forget us, when it dawned on me: the sound of the [vibratorās] motor coming through the pickups. Nobody had done that before. My original cost three dollars and the results were fantastic, you could rev it up or slow it down. Down the years I developed a section in Mothra [from Metal On Metal] in which I use it musically. Itās not just a gimmick.
Anvil are a band from the clubsā¦
[Interrupting]: And Iām happy with that. I love being crammed onto a small stage, sweating my balls off in my favourite country in the whole world ā the UK. I love that shit, man. Thatās where metal really, really thrives. Not in some massive concert arena. If you canāt look your audience in the eye, that isnāt the real deal. People say: āYou never got big.ā Who gives a shit? Do I want to play places like that? No.
Are you seriously trying to tell us that if Lars Ulrich, who was a ātalking headā in your movie, called to offer a support slot with Metallica, youād really say no?
Iād still be questioning⦠[pauses]⦠for me, at seventy years old, is there a point? Am I buying onto this tour for fifty thousand quid that I donāt have? Have I sold a million records? No, I havenāt, and thatās what greases palms for a headline band whose overheads are millions of dollars per night.
To be fair, in 2019 Metallica took out Bokassa, an unknown punk band from Norway, as an opening act.
I donāt know how that works, but donāt think about it all too much because itās never going to happen. I know that I will never open for Metallica. And I have long since reached peace with that.
Anvilās 12-date date UK tour begins today (November 4) in Southampton. Support comes from the Belgian band Killer. Find tickets.
Dave Ling was a co-founder of Classic Rock magazine. His words have appeared in a variety of music publications, including RAW, Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Prog, Rock Candy, Fireworks and Sounds. Daveās life was shaped in 1974 through the purchase of a copy of Sweetās album āSweet Fanny Adamsā, along with early gig experiences from Status Quo, Rush, Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Yes and Queen. As a lifelong season ticket holder of Crystal Palace FC, he is completely incapable of uttering the word āBr***tonā.
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