After you’re gone, what sort of legacy will you have left?
The notion that anybody is going to care about who John Mellencamp was is folly. When you’re a young guy the whole idea is that you’re playing for your legacy. Then you get to be older and realise that there is no fucking legacy. Here’s what they’re going to remember: there was a band called The Beatles, a band called the Stones and this guy named Bob Dylan. That’s it. As big a statement as we all thought The Clash were making? Get in line, guys, you’re just a footnote like the rest of us.
Yet for your last album, No Better Than This, you used such historic locations as Sun Studios in Memphis and the hotel room in San Antonio, Texas where Robert Johnson recorded. Surely you were intent on making some kind of timeless statement?
Never talked about it, never thought about it. The idea of using those locations was: I’m in the vicinity and wouldn’t it be great to go there? I will tell you that there was a special atmosphere at each of those places. Particularly at Sun Studios at 3am when the rest of the world is asleep and quiet. You walk outside and you can’t hear a car, nothing. The mosquitos were all over us. It’s fantastic.
What do you make of the state of rock’n’roll today?
Oh, I think rock’n’roll is over. There’ll never be another Beatles, Dylan or Johnny Cash. There’s not gonna be another resurgence of something like punk or grunge to save the music business. It’s all done. The record companies decided to turn their backs on established artists such as myself and started chasing girls in stretch dresses. Which is fine. Guys like me became trophies on a shelf; we were too expensive to operate. But they could get sixteen-, seventeen-year-old girls to come in, whose moms and dads were their managers, and steal everything from them in the same way they did from the black artists in the twenties and thirties. And then there’s the internet, which I think is the most dangerous invention since the atomic bomb. The internet allows people to steal music.
So you feel like one of the last men standing?
Sure. Even within my own generation. When I started out there were a lot of guys, but now there’s just a handful of us left – Tom Petty, Elvis Costello, Springsteen, me.
Rock’n’roll is supposed to be a young man’s game, yet some of the most challenging music recently has come from your generation.
See, in the sixties and seventies, people thought that it wasn’t going to get any better than this. For me it’s no problem being better now than when I was kid, because I was horrible. I went from Indiana to New York to get into art school, and I had a demo tape. I was a bar-room singer; I sang whatever was popular in the bars in town. It never dawned on me that I was going to try to make a living, or even make records. I was singing cos I could and because there were girls. The idea of planning out what I was going to be doing to this age… I wasn’t even going to live to this age. Then I got a record deal and it was like: “Oh fuck, you want me to write songs?” All my early records are me learning to write songs. I mean, I’ve come further than Springsteen, Petty or anybody. I may not be as good as they are, but I’m better than most.
Early on you got the nickname Little Bastard. Was it accurate?
In the eighties I had a record producer named Don Gehman. His responsibility was really just to keep me from going crazy all the time. Back then I was very highly strung and very angry. I was always mad at somebody and fighting and screaming – not a pleasant person. So this guy’s job was to go: “John, you’re out of line.”
What were you so angry about?
I think it’s in my DNA. I grew up around a bunch of angry men. My dad, my grandfather and my uncles were all that way. You fucked with these guys then you had to pay, it was that simple. They would just grunt at you and smack you. There was no normal, rational conversation, it was just: “Shut the fuck up,” and bang! My thought was that I was going to try to be a better man. But I found out in my thirties that maybe I wasn’t. Now, I don’t do that kind of stuff… very much. I’m more of a cranky old man.
Was there ever a point in your life where you felt indestructible?
Yeah. And I still feel that way sometimes today. But during that period from the Scarecrow record [1985] to_ Big Daddy_ [1989] I thought I was bulletproof. Then I had a heart attack. Man, I was pissed off with that. For the next two, three years I didn’t do anything but stay at home and raise my two boys. Those were the best years of my life.
What’s next?
I’m still interested in a lot of things. I think that’s a problem for a lot of people – they just lose interest in life. The older I get, the less afraid I am of death. Are we going anywhere after here? I don’t know and I don’t really care. If there is an afterlife, I’ll find out. If not, well, I’ve had a good ride.
